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Come out with an unlimited everything plan for $40-$50 a month like Wind and I'll sign up in a second.

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Did you know that there's a throttle on winds unlimited data speeds after I think 5gb? Or that you'll pay roaming fees if you wander out of their "Zones"? I think you'll find Koodo is a better value.
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Chad Burr wrote:

Did you know that there's a throttle on winds unlimited data speeds after I think 5gb? Or that...

Better value? For me, definitely as I have a $56 plan with 2 GB data and unlimited nationwide calling and international messaging. For anyone signing up now, not so much. I have switched to Koodo from Wind. I lost unlimited US calling and unlimited data (who cares about a throttle - it's still useable and you can bump your data to 10 GB for $10, which is how much Koodo charges PER GB on $60+ plans now), but I got to use my 2 GB of data (enough for my needs) everywhere, as opposed to Wind zones. I like to listen to internet radio and frequently travel between London and Kitchener (no Wind zone along route, yet). Could I live without internet radio? Of course, if need be. Koodo needs to be more competitive with Wind. Wind is more than good enough for most people. Even with my roaming fees, my bill was always $10 less/month on my line than it is with my Koodo (plus I also saved $5 because I had another line). I chose to pay more for a bit less with Koodo for a better network. But I think that Koodo will find that the current prices are well above the premium that most people were willing to pay for a better network. Interestingly enough, my parents are almost out of their Rogers contract and are fed up with them. They've asked me for my recommendation. I'll make them a short presentation of pros and cons of each new prospective carrier and let them make their own decision. The truth is, Koodo needs better plans and soon.
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Chad Burr wrote:

Did you know that there's a throttle on winds unlimited data speeds after I think 5gb? Or that...

It'll be even better if "better plans" and "soon" come along with "SIM-only" so we can save even more!
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Chad Burr wrote:

Did you know that there's a throttle on winds unlimited data speeds after I think 5gb? Or that...

While I agree the plans are in need of a reality check, Koodo's network and lack of roaming fees coupled with Canada Wide calling make it a much better offering. If you're not a frequent traveler and wind is available then yes I see the value. But the network is just as important. I'd rather see some mvno initiative up here.
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I'm afraid to ask for anything nowadays... Last time people asked for shorter contracts and larger subsidies (I was not one of them), we got served, and then some more. Maybe the carriers' FUD campaign worked well, I dunno. One thing is sure though: I don't want to see $120-$140/month plans, so I'm not asking for 6GB anymore.
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Some random Mobile Master wrote:

I'm afraid to ask for anything nowadays... Last time people asked for shorter contracts and larg...

Don't be afraid to ask. If we let the carriers get away with raising prices despite record profits by convincing us that it's our own fault, then nothing will ever change for the better.
Some random Mobile Master wrote:

I'm afraid to ask for anything nowadays... Last time people asked for shorter contracts and larg...

The only way things will truly change, is when people start voting with their wallets.
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Some random Mobile Master wrote:

I'm afraid to ask for anything nowadays... Last time people asked for shorter contracts and larg...

^^^ x 1,000,000
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Some random Mobile Master wrote:

I'm afraid to ask for anything nowadays... Last time people asked for shorter contracts and larg...

Well I'm doing my part by buying my devices used on kijiji and being on prepaid. Anyone want to follow? 😛 hehe
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Some random Mobile Master wrote:

I'm afraid to ask for anything nowadays... Last time people asked for shorter contracts and larg...

Is it just me, or does it seem that the plan hike is a two-pronged attack? They're obviously designed to get the same money out of customers over the shorter period providers are allowed to lock them into. But they also seem to be turning the people against the CRTC's ruling about the 2 year term limit. A limit that I think is for the best for everyone. 3+ years is a long time. But, to counter my [i]own point, I think we'd all be better off if we just stopped subsidizing phones altogether.
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Some random Mobile Master wrote:

I'm afraid to ask for anything nowadays... Last time people asked for shorter contracts and larg...

Well, yes, carriers are double-dipping with the current offerings. Everyone knows that a $500 subsidy cleared in 24 months is simply $20.83 added to your bill every month and nothing else. But now, everyone, even BYOD customers, are paying for some users' phones by way of higher priced plans.
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Some random Mobile Master wrote:

I'm afraid to ask for anything nowadays... Last time people asked for shorter contracts and larg...

Subsidies will never go away for the same reason that credit won't. People want things now, not later. Should phones be more expensive on a 2 year contract than on a 3 year contract? Of course. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. There's NO reason for unsubsidized pricing to go up. There's NO reason for monthly prices to go up (unless it's an added financing fee for a subsidy, but why then did the base prices increase PLUS a financing fee included?). Don't get me wrong. I love Koodo. I don't plan on leaving. I'm sure that most customers don't, because they have great promo plans. But what about evolving needs? What if my wife decides she wants mobile data? I have no choice but to switch her line to Wind. We'd be paying only $5 more per month for her to be on Wind and me to stay on Koodo and we'd still be able to talk/text without limit to one another due to our particular plans. The original poster expressed a willingness to come to Koodo and pay ~$10 more per month for a superior network, not for Koodo to match Wind's pricing.
Some random Mobile Master wrote:

I'm afraid to ask for anything nowadays... Last time people asked for shorter contracts and larg...

Again, I'll post the idea that Topper had that I agree with. Remove the tab, put the price of the phone on the bill, spread over 2 years.
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Some random Mobile Master wrote:

I'm afraid to ask for anything nowadays... Last time people asked for shorter contracts and larg...

I mean, it really can't get much simpler than that! No more confusion for noobs, no more ripping off for BYOD. Perfect world, right? 😃
Some random Mobile Master wrote:

I'm afraid to ask for anything nowadays... Last time people asked for shorter contracts and larg...

I would totally embrace the Topper Effect 😛.
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Some random Mobile Master wrote:

I'm afraid to ask for anything nowadays... Last time people asked for shorter contracts and larg...

My time to rise has finally come!!!!! (much silence later)... Oh well... maybe not! lol
Wind is the perfect example of what NOT to do.
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Marcus Fenix wrote:

Wind is the perfect example of what NOT to do.

Care to elaborate?
Marcus Fenix wrote:

Wind is the perfect example of what NOT to do.

"We provide unlimited data" /throttles data "We provided unlimited air time" /roaming fees outside of calling area
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Marcus Fenix wrote:

Wind is the perfect example of what NOT to do.

I can tell you only from my experience with AT&T. Their throttle took unlimited to a place so slow it wasn't even gprs. It was unusable. I have service now with TMOBILE which doesn't have the greatest network BUT their EDGE AND GSM networks are full speed. Their TOS are str8 forward. I get what I'm paying for.
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Marcus Fenix wrote:

Wind is the perfect example of what NOT to do.

Not to mention, it'll be a long while before a nation-wide carrier considers Wind a direct competitor: Population of Canada - approx. 35,000,000 Wind coverage areas total population - approx. 9,900,000 Those other 25,100,000 Canadians don't have Wind as an option.
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Marcus Fenix wrote:

Wind is the perfect example of what NOT to do.

"We provide unlimited data" /throttles data Marcus, their data truly is unlimited. Unlimited speed is not advertised. If you need more than 5 GB per month of un-throttled, you can double that for $10, which still offers a better value. I prefer a throttle after my limit to overage fees, and 5 GB is more than I (and most consumers) need. "We provided unlimited air time" /roaming fees outside of calling area What are they exactly misleading about here? No network will give you free, unlimited roaming. The fact that it's cheaper to roam in the US than Canada also speaks volumes about Rogers' pricing. But, they cannot be more clear on their site about roaming costs. In any case, unless you NEED a line for business AND frequent areas outside their zones, they really do offer value. The inferior network/zone argument can only last so long if the incumbents keep raising prices (and perhaps even if they keep them at this level). Just judging by my own friends/acquaintances, I can see Wind gaining popularity (and yes, I acknowledge that my convenience sample is not the gold standard). Curtules, I estimate Wind covers ~13.8 million Canadians so far (~9.5 ON, ~ 2 AB, ~2.3 BC). And now it seems like I'm promoting Wind, which I really am not. I want Koodo to get competitive in time. Customers do hold grudges (I certainly hold a grudge against Rogers).
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Marcus Fenix wrote:

Wind is the perfect example of what NOT to do.

" they cannot be more clear on their site about roaming costs." That's debatable. One could argue that if the front page of their website said, in big bold print: "UNLIMITED MINUTES UNLESS YOU LEAVE OUR COVERAGE AREA IN WHICH CASE IT WILL COST YOU $0.20/MINUTE", it would indeed be more clear.
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Marcus Fenix wrote:

Wind is the perfect example of what NOT to do.

I think Wind offer fantastic value, the problem is it's not for everyone unfortunately. If you're not in a 'wind' zone, or travel outside of wind zones frequently, Wind isn't an option unfortunately. However, if you are fortune enough to be inside a zone and very rarely travel outside of it, you can't beat the value imo.

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