The big three Canadian network frequencies

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For the unlocked (international) fans - The big three Canadian network frequencies

Partial C/P from http://www.tintedgreen.net/guide-will...

Telus (including Koodo)

2G
CDMA 850/1900
EVDO 850/1900

3G (and fake 4G)
HSDPA 850/1900
HSPA+ 850/1900
UMTS 850/1900
WCDMA 850/1900
1x EV-DO CDMA2000

4G (called 4G+)
LTE 1700/2100

Bell (including Virgin Mobile, PC Mobility)

2G
CDMA 850/1900
EVDO 850/1900

3G (and fake 4G)
HSDPA 850/1900
HSPA+ 850/1900
UMTS 850/1900
WCDMA 850/1900
1x EV-DO CDMA2000

4G
LTE 1700

Rogers (including Fido, Petro-Canada Mobility)

2G
GSM 850/1900
GPRS 850/1900
EDGE 850/1900

3G (and fake 4G)
HSDPA 850/1900
HSPA+ 850/1900
UMTS 850/1900
WCDMA 850/1900

4G
LTE 1700
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Very nice, thank you! :)
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Very helpful. Is there anywhere we can post this so it's easy to find in the future?
When it says 850/1900, does that mean the phone needs to support both to work?
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Thanks for the simplified version Ivan.
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You're welcome!
is there a way to make something compatible to networl? like iphone to wind network?
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Bell and Rogers also have LTE Band 7 (2600). This is very important because if you want to try a Chinese phone, most of them require band 7 so you need to know that this band is available on both Rogers, including Fido, and Bell.
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You can add Rogers LTE 2600 to the list. Fastest in Canada.
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Is it 4G LTE 1700 or LTE 2600?
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It's the 2600MHz band, nothing to do with 1700. I believe they also have 2100 as well.
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Thank you mattjs!
Still the 2600 is important if someone is contemplating on buying an unlocked phone from Aisa. Korean phones may have LTE 2600 but not LTE 1700 - it will be 1800 instead.
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Please keep an eye on post dates when replying to topics. This one had been dead for over 7 months.
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Thanks for the info, but I'd clean this up a bit. For example, the CDMA info is irrelevant as international visitors will have GSM phones. Also, there's a lot of redundancy. For example, EV-DO is a data transfer type on CDMA networks just like EDGE/HSPA is on 2G/3G GSM and requires no separate mention.

Basically, here's my simplified version:

2G GSM: 850/1900 (Rogers, Fido, and MVNOs operating on the Rogers network such as 7-11 and Petro Canada)

3G GSM: 850/1900 (All major networks EXCEPT WIND Mobile and Mobilicity)
(UMTS) AWS 1700/2100 (WIND Mobile and Mobilicity)

4G LTE: AWS 1700 (Rogers, Bell, and Telus as well as their national discount brands - Fido, Virgin, and Koodo, respectively) . Regional carriers may also offer LTE coverage.

LTE special note: LTE is really not popular outside North America yet and many int'l travelers will not have a compatible device.
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will my wind sim card work on an unlocked phone that has GSM 2G or WCDMA 2100MHz 3G network
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You can only use your wind SIM card with wind.

And that phone lacks the frequencies for wind or koodo

What phone is it?
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Thanks for the info, skids22!

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Exactly what I was looking for. Then does this mean that my international phone running on the WCDMA 850/2100 MHz bands should work for 3G in Koodo as well? I am currently with Rogers and I have no issues, but I am concerned that all the other major players do not support GSM; do I need 2G (CDMA and/or EVDO) coverage to work with Koodo, or is having access to the WCDMA 850 frequency sufficient? Thank you.
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Your international phone will give you limited coverage without the 1900 band on Koodo. Please refer to my post above. You're also not getting full coverage with Rogers without the 1900 band.

Koodo has no 2G GSM network. CDMA is being phased out and is irrelevant to your phone.
Hey I've been going crazy trying to get 3g to work on my unlocked phone - all I get is edge my phone supports 850-900 -1800 &1900 I'm with fido
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What phone do you have Muhammad?
I have a qmobile z8 plus
Here is the link for specs

http://m.whatmobile.com.pk/Qmobile_No...

Thanks
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I have an unlocked Nokia 3310 that has GSM 900/1900 frequency,and it does not get any network coverage with koodo, plz help
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it will not get any coverage as this handset is a gsm only hand set . koodo is not a gsm , rogers and fido is .
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Wrong! Koodo does not have a 2G GSM network. Never had, never will. Benaam is correct.

http://help.koodomobile.com/getting-s...
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Hi Iscraigh, Benaam & Rikkster are right :) Thank you!
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Unless you are in Manitoba, you might get the extended coverage of Rogers GSM network. But Koodo did/does/will not operate GSM itself.
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hi...i have a qnet axel i bought in Asia. Will that work here in Canada with either Bell or Virgin? Thanks for the info.
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If it's this phone then it won't work:

http://phoneradar.com/gadgets/phones/...
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SO COULD i hookup a public unlocked phone to wind mobile? moto g cell i bought from public mobile.
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Should be fine if it's the GSM/UMTS model. Public Mobile used to be a CDMA network.
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I went to wind yesterday and cannot hook up my moto g they put sim card in and unlocked phone but he says it wouldn't work. now i was told theres no good company that will hookup this phone and i need atleast 2gbs of data for no more then 50 a month.
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The frequencies the startup bought is in what is called the G-block of the PCS spectrum. PCS spectrum is where Bell, Rogers and Telus got their start early in the cellular business. The G-block was sold during the 2008 spectrum auction when attention — and money — was more focused on the AWS spectrum, which has better propagation characteristics. For example, Bell, Rogers and Telus are using their AWS spectrum to run their fastest LTE services. PCS spectrum isn’t efficient enough to handle that.

For that reason Ottawa didn’t place any restrictions on G-block winners selling their spectrum to an incumbent carrier. Because the AWS spectrum is so valuable — winning bidders spent over $4 billion buying it up — the federal government placed a five year ban on new carriers like Videotron, Eastlink, Wind Mobile and Mobilicity turning it over to incumbents.

That ban has started to run out for financially-troubled Mobilicity, which is in court trying to stave off creditors and hoping the government will allow it to be bought by Telus. So far that hope has been in vain.
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Hi Everyone

Hope this thread is still somewhat active
I'm thinking about getting the XiaoMi RedMi S1 but really can't decipher if it will work on Rogers

The phone has the following:
GSM 900 / 1800 / 1900
HSDPA 900 / 2100

Will it be able to pick up 3G data signals?

Thank you!!
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No, you won't. That phone will not work at all on Koodo, or any other 3G network in Canada. It can be used with Roger's/Fido on 2G, and even then it's only partially compatible. Avoid that phone.
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My phone is the " Elephone Vowney" will it work on any Canada, Ontario Rogers or other mobile providers 4G? Specs at DEALSMACHINE.com search Elephone Vowney 4G, {China phablet}
FDD-LTE 800/900/1800/2100/
2600MHz in bold text.
Reply at SteveL@cogeco.ca
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Hi people

Will my device work in Rogers 3G frequency?? Please help!!!

Device Specifications
(3G): DC-HSPA+/HSPA+/HSPA/UMTS 2100/900 MHz

Thanks a lot!
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No, it won't work on any Canadian 3G network.
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Hi there,
I'm looking to get a Xiaomi Mi4. Below are the frequency:
4G: FDD-LTE : BAND1/BAND3(2100/1800MHz)
TDD-LTE : BAND41 2496-2690MHz
2G: GSM 850/900/1800/1900MHz
3G: WCDMA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100MHz
Will this phone will work with Bell or Rogers ? Please help !
Thanks,
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Canadian carriers rom wiki:

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North American carriers from wiki:

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It’s important to know exactly what model of phone you have first.

1. For most Android phones, open the back (you may also have to pull the battery) to view the mfgr’s exact model number.

2. Head over to the manufacturer’s site and/or gsmarena.com to get the exact specs for your model to know what you have. Note that there may be many submodels of certain products destined for different markets. An unlocked phone will be capable of dealing with the frequencies listed. So if your carrier uses the 1700 band and your new carrier uses 2100, you will be OK with a new SIM as long as your phone hardware can handle it.

3. Check the GSM world coverage of the destination you want:
http://www.worldtimezone.com/gsm.html to know what you need.

Ignore any CDMA data you may run across. It's ancient history.

GSM Research points:

Bands by number:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_f...

Mobile operator frequencies: Americas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_...

GSM World Coverage:
http://www.worldtimezone.com/gsm.html

Research your EXACT phone model:
gsmarena.com

Koodo imei tool:
http://help.koodomobile.com/getting-s...

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Hello,
I read the thread and I think I have my answer but I want to double check since it is quite a significant investment that I will be making. I am with FIDO and I am planning to get the Samsung Galaxy S5 LTE-A, model Number SM-G906S. If I understand correctly I will have no problems using it or accessing the LTE network.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s5_lte_a_g906s-6450.php
this ebayer gives slightly different specs and am not sure why but here is the link also.
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Cellphone-Korea-Samsung-Galaxy-S5-LTE-A-SM-G906-waterproof-3GB-ram-G906S-G906...

Really appreciate the help
Thanks!
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Not familiar with Rogers other than fair-to-middling experience about 10 years ago. But certainly not for Korean language.

Ebay sellers often lift entire chunks of specs from eBay-supplied or mfgr boilerplate, so I wouldn't put too much faith in compatibility.

Till things shake out on LTE, it seems that different carriers will use different frequencies in different areas depending on their licences.

I don't see 1700 band listed in phone specs, common to Bell, Rogers and Koodo.

You won't get any encouragement from me on this one. Sorry.
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Most North American providers operate on 1700 MHz, LTE (Band 4 or (B4)). The device in question is exclusive to Korea and would not be compatible on the networks Bob mentions.

The Ebay description shows the LTE radio frequencies and associated LTE band numbers in brackets; (e.g., LTE 2100 (B1), LTE 1800 (B3), LTE 850 (B5), LTE 2600 (B7) and LTE 900 (B8)). There is no LTE 1700 (B4), unfortunately.
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Ya but on my provider's website they say that their LTE network operates on the 2100 and 2600 frequencies so I should be ok no?
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Ya but you didn't specify whether you were going to use the phone with Fido or Koodo. Just sayin'.
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And if you have to roam outside their area?.....

If you are going to Fido, their version of the same phone is currently $700 cash with no plan, less if you go on the tab and will be guaranteed to work on their network. You're spinning everyone's wheels for the sake of saving a few bucks.
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Smell of burnt rubber and wheelspin detected...

http://community.koodomobile.com/kood...
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Be nice pal, people have the right to ask whatever they want. Not every user will know how to use the information provided in this thread. Even inside this thread someone asked about a phone.
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I agree with Chad, Bob :) Thank you!
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Finally a clear, easy to understand response. Employee reply, translated from his post on the French side:

http://communaute.koodomobile.com/koo...

"Just to confirm, phones that are uniquely GSM (2G) or CDMA will not work on Koodo's network. Koodo supports the following frequencies: 3G/HSPA 850/1900 and 4G/LTE 1700/2100MHz.

If your phone supports these bands, it should work provided it's unlocked."

Happy holidays!
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Thank You.
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Hi there,
I'm looking to get a Xiaomi Mi4. Below are the frequency:
4G: FDD-LTE : BAND1/BAND3(2100/1800MHz)
TDD-LTE : BAND41 2496-2690MHz
2G: GSM 850/900/1800/1900MHz
3G: WCDMA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100MHz
Will this phone will work with Bell or Rogers ? Please help !
Thanks,
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Up to a point... you may well be 95% happy with 3G data.

If I were buying a phone, I would avoid one that doesn't cover me 100% off the bat. Your phone will not do 700/1700/2600.

But you had best check with people @ Rogers or @ Bell. Their wave of the future seems to be headed towards 700 & 2600 from what other folks have said here. That may leave you behind at 3G in certain areas.
dose Elephone P6000 work in canada telus
thanks then will Xperia T3
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Depends on the model number

D5105 will work and has LTE
D5102 will work too but no LTE
okay thanks
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Yes ,Samsung Galaxy S 4 Will work Marc

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