Koodo and NFC Enabled SIM Cards

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Your credit cards: gone. Bus pass and train tickets: vanished. Those dog-eared loyalty cards for high street coffee shops: binned.
Welcome to Near Field Communications (NFC), a contactless, Wi-Fi-lite style tech that could already be in your smartphone, and could soon be a regular feature of your commute. NFC SIM cards are SIM devices that deliver card service functionality for NFC-compatible mobile phones in a secure, multi-application format. NFC-compatible mobile phones are continuing to grow in popularity around the world as the specs for this technology advances. Many other big phone companies have already  released NFC SIM cards to their customers, allowing them to use the tap to pay feature with their NFC enabled phone. Koodo is not one of these companies. If they implemented these NFC SIM cards, it would only make payments in store for their customers that much more efficient. It is the way of the future, and Koodo could easily be offering an easier way to pay.
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Mark Dionne

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That's great and all, but in all the times I've gone to Tim Hortons and Mcd's in the past 6 months I've seen -maybe- 2 people use it. I feel like Koodo will provide them once the demand arises.
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I am one of those users that use, or should I say used to use when I was with Bell, that paid for my coffee using the NFC payment on my Blackberry, and I so miss that Koodo DOES NOT offer NFC simm cards. Come on Koodo, get with the program.
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I turned mine off don't trust it
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Logan O

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There is no reason to worry about it there is lot's of encryption in it and you have to authorize all uses of NFC anyway! If it wasn't secure why would our companies put it out there?
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Mark Dionne

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Tim Hortons and Starbucks are starting to advertise their mobile payment apps, with Tim Hortons having it on the banners in store, so it is starting to pick up steam now. I just don't want Koodo to be a year or two late on something that every other phone company is already offering.
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Yes it would, and the major banks in Canada (TD, RBC, Scotia) have all updated their apps on mobile recently to accommodate for this. You just set it up and it works under the same guidelines as Interac Flash. Just replacing your debit card with your phone. It is secure and fast and is something that people would benefit from.
You say the major banks have this and the major phone companies do then i see no issue - the small banks don't have it nor the small phone componies
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Keith Richmond

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Superstore is pushing it now, too.
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I think koodo is ahead of the flow now! I mean a large majority of koodo phones support NFC. It's a matter of app developers to get it going and they are getting the job done! I.e. Timmy Me (The Tim Hortons app).
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Ry

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Another thread of interest:
http://community.koodomobile.com/kood...
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Sumaya K.

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Hi Mark,

We've looked into this before and there's not enough ask for it at the moment. It seems like that's where the future will be though, and we'll get to that point when the demand is there :)
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Create the demand and lead the market. Bundle nfc with partner programs where use of a koodo nfc device at participating vendors leads to points to be used for airtime or goodies.
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Mike Berg

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I'm actually considering switching over to telus for this. In my opinion this feature is going to be huge with Apple soon to enter the market and Koodo is behind the curve. If Telus already supports it then it should be a no brainer to port over
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mkweon

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This is an old news, but according to this, demand is already there.
http://mobilesyrup.com/2014/10/08/stu...
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Calvin Walton

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Telus already has the NFC SIM available; http://www.telus.com/en/on/mobility/s... - it seems like something that would give Koodo a bit of a leg up on the other "value" brands :)
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I was about to try out the TD app for the mobile payments until I saw I needed a special SIM card. :(

On top of that, paying $15 for a replacement SIM does not outweigh the savings from carrying and pulling out my credit card.

I hope Koodo will seize the opportunity to differentiate themselves from everyone else - provide NFC SIM cards with a lower (or free) SIM swap cost. Charging new customers is certainly reasonable.
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Perhaps Koodo should develop a survey to actually determine the demand from their customers. Obviously if other carriers are offering this service, there must be a demand. I think quantifying the demand may surprise people. Telus has this technology in place (Koodo's parent company), and in my ignorant opinion, it should be fairly simple to add this secure service to your existing network. If Koodo charged customers a small fee for activation of their NFC enabled sim card, they should be able to recuperate their costs fairly quickly. This new technology should gain traction once people start using it. Be the trend setter.
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so, I would need to get a new sim card to use the nfc functions of my galaxy note 2?

Koodo should get on this as the big 3 and virgin do it...
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Considering Koodo IS Telus, it is surprising that they don't extend their NFC SIMS to their value brand. (Then again, neither does Chattr/Rogers but Virgin/Bell does)
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People will gravitate to these autopay systems when & if it involves NO effort and NO expense on their part. And at that point they will have difficulty tracking their purchases and flood the consumer hotlines of the vendors.

Would you pay for a NEW phone or would you rather just swipe your debit card and let your fingers do the P.I.N.-ing? Just the fact that you are physically involved in the transaction adds a little more meaning to it.

Seen a few credit card cryptic items that make me ask "what the &^% is that" on the statement in the US where fewer PINS are required compared to Canada or Europe where PINS are required.
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Maybe it's just me but it seems rather outlandish that a special SIM card is required to process NFC payments. I'm no tech wizard but would the phone's NFC not be enough to make it happen? This is bizarre. Part of the reason I just forked out $1,000 for an iPhone was to use the Apple Pay feature when it eventually comes to Canada. And Koodo doesn't even supply those SIMs? That is pathetic.
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It's added security. I wouldn't count on Apple Pay being widely accepted though as major retailers are fighting against it (because they have their own crappy solution).

On another note, I see this marked as "Planned" now, which is good news!
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Apple pay doesn't require an nfc sim either. It's a much simpler solution which is why I don't see Canada's banks signing on anytime soon.
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I suppose I was a little ignorant on the subject. I assumed that since Canada's (oddly) been ahead of the US for years with chip-based cards and tap to pay terminals, that the transition to NFC payments would be quick and easy. Now that I've spent some time researching the subject I see I was way off. I'm sure it will make its way up here eventually but I sure won't be holding my breath. I know a lot of people are quite cynical on the topic but personally I think it would be a nice perk to have. I like to travel lightly and any opportunity to leave my wallet or cards behind is greatly welcomed.
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All marked as planned now.
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NFC tech has NOTHING to do with SIM. Samsung has been singing the praises for years (in cel-phone years, which are about 6.8 days long). My Note II (late 2012 technology) has NFC, apparently built into the BATTERY case, nothing to do with the SIM. Never tried it, never used it, would not trust a Google wallet with 0.01 cents remaining to any proprietary mischief. But it really did get in the way of Qi charging and ended uo draining the battery rather than charging it.

While we're on these great and gloriously-trusted payment standards, how many Canadians actually managed to successfully set up a Google wallet account on their own without outside US help?.
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Travis Prosser

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Just to be clear, a phone with NFC capability built-in does not require an NFC SIM card to function. It should still be able to read NFC tags and communicate with other NFC devices (e.g. pairing bluetooth stereos, sharing files with other NFC phones).

You do, however, need an NFC SIM if you want to make NFC transactions like a pay-pass-enabled credit card. The NFC SIM would store financial credentials in a secure, encrypted location on the chip, so that your credit card info can't be accessed by unapproved apps on your device. Very few devices on the market contain this "secure storage" built-in, so putting it on a SIM card is the only way to make it work for most people.
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It would be really awesome, providing RBC joins up and I don't lose my grandfathered plan.
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Alex Scheuerman

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I have two credit cards, and both of them support payments with my model of phone (HTC One m8). They both work with Rogers, Bell, and Telus (which offer NFC-enabled SIMs), but not Koodo. I have a year and 3 months left on my tab. This feature isn't a big deal for me and I wouldn't switch carriers over this now, but once my tab is paid off, I'll give it another look. In time, this feature will become more important to me.

I'd certainly prefer if I don't have to pay to replace my SIM, but if it's $5 or $10 I'll consider it.

And if you've rarely or never seen anyone paying with their phone, maybe that doesn't mean there isn't demand for that service; maybe it means there isn't supply (carriers aren't supplying the NFC-enabled SIM cards unless people specifically ask for it) or there isn't awareness. How many people do you think are aware they could pay with their phone if they would only install an app and maybe replace their SIM card?
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There are two things at play here. Your phone and your SIM would have to be NFC enabled. Most new phones's are but a pretty big chunk of existing cell users phone is simply not capable even if you put in an NFC Sim.
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OK... President's choice and TD have now released the Ugo app and it is completely useless for Koodo customers. It's now time to support this. This is almost enough to make me switch to Virgin
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Virgin has a monthly plan at the moment for $45/mo with 1GB data... A lot better than my current $54 with Koodo... and I can get the NFC SIM card with Virgin. I think I'm gone as of this week. Gotta love BYOD and number portability!! Long live the CRTC :P
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Oh... And $4.99 for the NFC SIM @ Virgin
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I go to virgin see about it, Koodo still planned nfc !!! Come on, you sell a phone and you can't offer the way to use it ? nice new web site but ... first post about it have at least two years !
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I would be more then willing to pay 5 or 10 dollars for an NFC enabled simm card...I just switched from Bell to Koodo and never realized that Koodo didn't offer this.. Its not a deal breaker, but I used to use NFC payment all the time, especially when buying coffee at Tim's using my Blackberry......... Help us out here Koodo, and make it happen.
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Great news! If you own an NFC enabled smartphone, as of June 15, 2015 you can purchase an NFC Sim for $5 from any Koodo Shop that will allow you to tap and pay for purchases with your phone where available. For details visit https://www.koodomobile.com/mobilepay....
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Is there any reason why the link posted by Lisa_B (the official rep) doesn't work anymore? And I can't find any mention of mobile payments on the website?
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Keith Richmond

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Not sure, but you can find it on specific sites for the cards in question.

For example, for PC Mastercard, you can go here: https://www.ugo.ca/get-started-payment#t
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Shawn Kavanagh

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Link is broken?
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Works for me Shawn
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Veronica

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Hey Shawn,

Have you also tried the link provided by Yannick? Thanks!
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Yannick

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Hi there, here is the proper link: http://koo.do/1H18qzy. It seems there was a typo, sorry about that :) Thank you!
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So, I went to the shop, bought a new NFC-SIM card and when the guy try to activate it, got told it could not be done because I am prepaid customer. Had to get refund....I lost 30min of my time, Koodo lost my business, I am out of here...
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I tried to get an NFC SIM today but store only had normal SIMs
Too bad :(

(Any chance if I scanned receipt to Koodo they could ship a free replacement?)
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I got my NFC SIM a few weeks ago. I called the closest Koodo store to my house and they didn't have them in stock. One day when I was near the second closest store, I called them and found they did have them in stock.

In time, I got both of my credit cards set up on my phone. Overall, it works well, but setting up my CIBC card took a while just waiting for a reply from tech support.

Mobile payments are a nice feature to have, but maybe they shouldn't say the NFC SIM card is available at "any Koodo Shop" until they actually get the cards shipped to all the shops.
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Mike Drechsler

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Damn. 

Best buy just sold me one of the "old" nano sim cards.  
Should go back and complain.
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So no support for Iphone yet?
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Unfortunately iPhone will never be supported. The iPhone doesn't have the required hardware. It's like asking when my remote control for my TV will be supported with nfc. It doesn't have the correct components.
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Some of the recent iPhone models do have NFC for the "Apple Pay" feature, but Apple Pay is not yet available on any carrier in Canada.

If/When Apple Pay does come to Canada, it will likely use a different mechanism for handling payments that will not require a special NFC SIM card.
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Ok I was worried that I would waste a bunch of money on a iPhone and not have Apple Pay if and when it's rumored to come to Canada. Thanks
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No Calvin it will use NFC and only the models with NFC will be able to use the payment system so if you want to use it you will have to have an iPhone with an NFC chip embedded within.
It will also only work with stores that have NFC payment options on their terminals which isn't all that many right now.. Samsung however has technology within their Galaxy S6 /S6 Edge and Note 5 that will allow payments on both the NFC terminals as well as the magstripe terminals so you will be able to pay at nearly all stores with a Samsung device.

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