If the 25 dollar plan is not available anymore, is there any way I can still get it? I don't want to pay any higher than 25.

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Kristen Neufeld

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Posted 5 years ago

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Minimum Plan you can get if you're new customer is 30$, Koodo did grandfathered old Plans such as 20/25$.
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So there is no way I can still get one for 25 dollars if I am new to Koodo?
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The plan you want is at fido
http://www.fido.ca/web/page/portal/Fi...
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Unfortunately the $30 is the cheapest you can get right now, Kristen. Have you considered Prepaid? Depending on your needs, that might be exactly what you want... base plan is $15 and then you buy voice and/or data boosters.
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Will the 25 dollar plan come back within the next 2 weeks?
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No one knows for sure. Rate plans are subject to change at anytime. It's best to keep an eye on Koodo's website for rate plan changes.
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Generally, once a new price standard is set, you don't see carriers revert back. Usually, they will do promotions where they offer you more minutes or data, but the prices remain. Like has been mentioned, Fido has the equivalent plan you are looking for, and if you don't text much, Chatr would be another option for unlimited incoming and outgoing minutes. Why not just go with one of them?
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You have to consider the value in your Tab.

Yes the $25 plan was great, but it was a promo, and it ended. The new Tabs, including small (the classic $150 subsidy), are now a 15% payback AND any remaining Tab is cleared out after 24 months. Before this, on the $25 plan, your Tab continues on at 10% payback until it's paid off, which takes at least 4 years on a $25 plan.

Also consider that your unlimited evenings/weekends start at 5PM, not 7PM.

Would you rather be on the hook for nearly half a decade to Koodo or pay an extra 5 bucks/month to clear it within 24 months? Math-wise it's better to stay with a new, guaranteed 24 month $30 plan than a super long $25 plan.
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That s quite misleading, under the old tab you can still clear the remaining balance at any time, and even with that included it could be lower than the accumulated extra monthly fee + tab charge, especially considering that koodo raised device prices as well.
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^ Look at it this way:

1. Yes you could, but only if you cancel. That hasn't changed.

2. I was comparing the "classic" Tab at 10% to the Small Tab (no Tab charge) to make it a more fair assessment.

Kristen, here's some math for getting an Ace II X (as an example):

Old Tab:

$25 plan x 24 months = $600 paid for services.

Tab balance after 24 months: -90. Say you wanted to upgrade your phone to the Nexus 4, assuming that this is still the old Tab system. That would cost you $240 in store at this point. So that's now $840 you have paid for plan and a new device.

New Tab S:

$30 minimum X 24 months = $720 paid for services

Keep in mind that with a faster contribution of 15%, the Tab balance is only -42... and it is waived for the customer at this point due to new system that is CRTC compliant so you can now upgrade without having to worry about the additional 90 from the previous scenario.

Price of Nexus 4 on Tab S (again, for comparison's sake) in store: $150. Total spent now would be $870.

However, let's also factor in the $42 in "credits" that Koodo had to pay for you. $870 - 42 = $828. Technically $12 cheaper by doing it this way.

I'm not done!

What if you broke the Ace II X and wanted to upgrade, couldn't pay a lot of money in store, but can afford monthly payments?

Tab Medium. Under this new Tab system, you could pay nothing in store for the Nexus 4, and would be subjected to the Tab charge of $5 each month. So working from scenario 2 again, you would have only paid $720 to Koodo for services and a new device over 24 months since the Nexus 4 was no money down. Almost sounds like financing a car.

The only real flaw I see here is taxes on everything but the base math is sound, as far as I can tell.

Also don't forget that we're working with the assumption that we're upgrading the device at the 24 month mark. What if a customer is comfortable with their device? Under new Tab rules, since it would be cleared, the customer could then opt for the 10% monthly discount so they'd start paying $27 for their plan and could upgrade or leave any time without worry.

If they were under old Tab, they would be stuck for an ADDITIONAL 36 months just to pay it off without canceling to get the same perks a customer on the new Tab system is entitled to after 24 months.

A bit of devil's advocate for the new Tab system, for sure, but remember I work for the Mobile Shop - I have to SELL IT.
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IF you want to count the "$42 credit", your calculation would have to be $720 + $42 (tab money you should've paid) + $150 - $42 (koodo's "credit" for the 24 months tab balance) = $870 <-- STILL the same more expensive amount compared to the old tab $840
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Under tab medium you will have to pay $720 for service AND $5 tab charge for 24 months, which you mentioned yourself but forgot to calculate, the total would come out to be $840, which is the same as old tab system, proving that the new 15% contribution is just a marketing gimmick
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Then there's the tax, $5 a month extra monthly bill and $5 tab charge a month will amount to EXTRA taxes of $28.8 for BC and $31.2 for Ontario. add that on top of the tab medium example, you will have to pay around $870, again, more expensive than the $840.
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That 10% discount you "earn" at the end of 24 month makes the $30 down to $27, which is still $2 more than the old $25, dunno why you even bother bringing this up
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Your mentioning of "being stuck" is economically meaningless. Using your scenario again, If you are happy to stay with the same phone and not upgrade or cancel, @ year 2 You will have paid $600 for service under the old tab, plus $25 a month thereafter; and $720 for service under the new tab, and $27 there after, the old tab still wins. The maximum cost of you "being stuck" under the old tab is the $90 balance, which gets smaller as time goes by. So at anytime you can pay that to be free, or stay on with $600 before cost + 25 a month. Stay or cancel, free or stuck, it's $600-$690 under the old tab, and $720 under the new, so again, old tab system is less expensive
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Fair points except for me double counting the 42 credit. I never said it went to +42, dude. I don't know what you're getting at there.

But what sounds better: your phone is guaranteed to be paid off after 24 months or you still have to pay $90 to cancel in 2 years? I can still market it better. I think that's what Koodo was going for.

Also the $30 plan has 5pm evenings and weekends compared to the 7pm in the $25 plan. That's approximately 2800 minutes of additional unlimited airtime in an average month. Some people out there may find that useful!
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Using your example, the price you have to pay under new system is $870 it is never below $870. In order for you to arrive at $828, you MATHEMATICALLY assumed that Koodo increase your tab balance from NEGATIVE $42 to POSITIVE $42 which is INCORRECT, hence the +$42 part. You didn't say it explicitly, but you demonstrate this in your "calculation". Koodo makes your negative $42 to $0. so you cannot subtract $42 from $870.
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"$870 - 42 = $828. Technically $12 cheaper" This is wrong!
You were supposed to pay $870 + $42 tab, but since koodo wipes the tab for you, it's now $870 + $42 - $42 = $870
Making this NOT cheaper than the old tab system's $840

TLDR: $840 went out of your pocket under the old system, $870 went of of your pocket under the new tab system, old system is cheaper.
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Yes it "sounds" and "markets" way better, but it also costs more, I understand what koodo is going for too. But since this is the community where people seek information, and the topic is clearly related to old cost vs. new, I think it's fair to stick with the math and not make excuses for why koodo is doing this. Under old tab system, you pay less, with or without phone purchase and upgrades. Under new system, you pay more, with or without phone purchases and upgrades.

Lastly, I would actually be very willing to spend extra $5 for 5pm evening. That works out to be 120 extra minutes PER DAY, not to mention that the minutes are during evening time when people can actually talk, vs "anytime minute" which only applies during work/school hours, not useful at all.
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I think we dragged this out long enough. At the end of the day, we've determined that it's $30 more expensive on the new Tab (Small) but from a consumer standpoint, the peace of mind on a guaranteed 24 month payoff can be better than the extra 30 bucks they just paid because some people just don't or can't afford to upgrade their phone very often.

Thank you for agreeing with me on the 5PM part of the new plan, there is still some merit to it. People just see a $ amount and freak out without analyzing it.
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I know you meant well Jonathan, well at least I hope you meant well.

But here's the fact, you provided 2 numbers, $828 for new tab system with upgrades, and $720 for new tab system without upgrades. When in fact the real cost was $870 and $840 respectively, which is MORE EXPENSIVE than old tab plan. Hence about 70% of your original response were wrong based on math alone. I corrected your math and determined that new system costs more, not YOU, not US. I alone determined it.

Just a word of advice. I can see you being good at sales, I should know, I worked in electronic retail and sales for many years. Then I went into the corporate world. Slipping in few dollars and few percentages here and there when you are dealing with the general public is no big deal in retail sales. But in corporate culture when you start adding or subtracting dollar amount based on what you "technically" think is correct, or what you "feel" like is a good deal, you are going to get canned/sued real fast. Pointing fingers and dragging other people along with you in your mess by mention "we" or "us" will only further destroy any future networking advantages you may have.
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I'm not in the corporate world and likely won't be anytime soon so what do I care about your advice? You alone, then, also dragged this stupid conversation on just so you could be right about something and then give a little speech about corporate responsbility. It's 30 freaking dollars. We're not talking about millions of dollars or confidential documents here.

I could have used the time I spent arguing about this talking to more customers in my store and hopefully get more sales rather than wasting it on you, Mr. "corporate world"... what do you do, exactly? Why are you here? You're obviously too important. You shouldn't be talking to us peasants here on the forum.

If a customer was so devastated over that extra $30 they're paying, I would even donate the money to them.

I'm not an advocate for the wireless carriers, I'm an advocate for my clientele.
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Hey folks, let's take it down a couple of notches. Calm and respectful :).

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I have a $20 plan. My tab is -$49 and I can get the samsung discovery for $0. Could I stay with my current plan?
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Yes, you can upgrade your phone and stay on the same plan, ziggo :) The ONLY thing that won't be available to you is the Tab Medium (you require a $30 plan or higher for that). But you can still get a phone on the Tab Small and it will be paid off in two years... guaranteed. I bet Koodo is going to lose a bit on that one :D
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You can stay on your current plan if you are buying your phone outright or if you go on Tab S.

A Tab M requires a plan of at least $30

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