Get the HSPA+ model of the S4 instead of the LTE model

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I don't know if it's at all possible for Koodo to choose which of the 2 Galaxy S4 models they carry but if it is I think Koodo getting the HSPA+ model would be HUGE!
The Galaxy S4 HSPA+ model will have the very first 8 core processor (Exynos Octa 5) powering it & Koodo could use that to their advantage to draw customers in. Market it as the FIRST CARRIER IN CANADIAN TO OFFER A PHONE POWERED BY AN 8 CORE PROCESSOR!!!!

All of us who really know about cell phones know that LTE isn't something to be too excited about because it cuts device usage times almost in half (Yes its true I've done tests). A new technology is being created right now that will reduce this massive battery drain & will be applied to company towers once this technology is complete. I'm not sure how far we are away from seeing this technology applied but for most buying a high end smartphone they will be buying a new one next year or the year after at latest anyways.

I don't know about everybody else but I'd rather be able to use my device for twice as long then to get a Web page a second or so faster, wouldn't you?
I have the Galaxy Note 2 HSPA+ model and it's plenty fast & others on here with it have said the exact same.
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Anyways who would rather (if possible) see Koodo get the Galaxy S4 with the first 8 core processor (Exynos Octa 5) powering it instead of the LTE model with the quad core processor (Snapdragon 600)?
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99% of users wouldn't truly see a difference between those two processors. Its like saying my Lambo has 20 more hp than your Porsche. In the end, I'd pick the model that gives me the most battery power.
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I'm not a big fan of LTE either. Once the battery issue get resolved, I may change my mind. As for the S4, I looking to ditch my Moto if the reviews come out positive for the Sammy. Can't beat a 5" screen. Any bigger would be pushing it.
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That octa-core processor is a gimmick. A good dual-core processor is just fine. I'm always more concerned about RAM and the GPU.
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You obviously haven't used a quad core device if you think a dual core is good enough. I've had a dual core in the original Galaxy Note and things lagged here and there, I got the Galaxy Note 2 with the quad core and was blown away, there is absolutely no lag what so ever. John Burke Mobile master here completely agrees also and he was very impressed with the Nexus 4 going from the Galaxy Nexus. GPU Makes a huge difference in games but everything else relies on the power of the processor. It all depends on what make of processor also, because I had a tablet with dual core Tegra processors and it sucked. The graphics were much better but the usual processes lagged even more than the dual core processor in my original Galaxy Note.

5" is perfect for the average sized guy and everyone will absolutely love having a display of that size I guarantee, it makes using your phone a dream. I love the 5.5" display on my Note 2 but won't be getting the Note 3 if they make the phone any wider, the Note 2 is the perfect size for guys with big hands.
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I'm not talking about first-gen dual-core crapfests such as the LG Optimus 2X. My dual-core Huawei Ascend P1 and GNex were destroyed by my Nexus 4 in benchmarking, yet the user experience remained pretty much on par.

At 188 cm tall, I'm larger than your average guy, and I prefer a smaller phone. 5" may be perfect for you, but I can't stand it.
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I was at a dim sum restaurant in Toronto's chinatown and a chinese yound lady that must of measured 5' at most had a Galaxy Note 2 xD.

On another matter, I totally agree with Kid. Battery life > Internet speed...

8 cores on a phone, could they develop some kind of program that could emulate Windows so we could use programs from a pc to a phone (I know, I am a dreamer). Because honestly, as a gamer, all phone games are crap compared to pc games... (except games like song pop, but then again, my 200 mmx collecting dust could run that np) ;-)
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Not gonna happen. Telus is investing in their LTE network. They won't choose a non-LTE model.

Remember how many people complained that the Nexus 4 wasn't LTE?

I don't care about LTE myself, but this is how things are.
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An eight core processor? Overkill. Enough of Samsung, get the HTC One X+,
I don't see a single HTC device in the Koodo phone lineup.

http://www.htc.com/www/smartphones/ht...
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I know what Samsung says, but battery endurance is almost never what the manufacturer claims (like fuel economy on cars). So, I'm also waiting for real world tests.

In my opinion, the whole point of the "octa-core" is to mislead the average user into thinking they're getting more cores than a quad-core which isn't true.
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But they are. 8 cores are available for use. Why would you think that 8 cores aren't available for use?
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No, only 4 are available at a time: performance quad or power-saving quad.
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I have a 6core CPU. You're telling me only 3 are available at a time? I don't think so.
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I wasn't talking about your computer's CPU. I was talking about this specific mobile SoC.
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LTE is great if you live in an area that can handle it, but that doesn't mean that HSPA+ is slow or not good enough. For the same price I would still for the LTE though despite the faster drainage of battery life.
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I totally agree, with my Nexus 4 I get an average of 9mbps on HSPA+ which gives me a good internet speed and you can't really see the difference with LTE and I really really don't care at all about the LTE since it has so many disadvantages for nothing good (why the hell do you need 50mbps with a ridiculous data limit between 100mb and 6gb ?).

That's the main reason I didn't buy the S3 because of the inferior "American" model to get a new technology that I don't even want at all.
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You can always turn off LTE on LTE-enabled phones.
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Yep but you still get an inferior version.
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I agree with you Kid that the non-LTE model is definitely a superior model, BUT, it is not LTE which is quite the marketing sensation right now. I still do not understand why we keep getting inferior models vs the international model. Lazyness on the behalf of Samsung ? I do not know.
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I think it's because they then can use the Octa 5 in the Galaxy Note 3 and it will seem like a new big thing in processors for Noth America. It was that way with the Galaxy S3 getting a dual core in Noth America and the International version getting the quad then they could put the quad core in the Galaxy Note 2 and have it seem like a new thing even though the Galaxy S3 international version had it months before. It all comes down to marketing and how they like to fool those who aren't so keen on learning about what is available where and that you can get a better model if you want, and that it will work.
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The S3 is now, since a couple of months, available in LTE with the same quadcore processor than the non LTE model in Europe and some other countries, but not in Canada neither in USA.
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Exactly still not available in North America. Alot of ppl don't realize that you can get superior models elsewhere and they think your stuck with whatever is offered in North America by the Carriers.
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Plus One from me too :) Where we live, LTE is to be expected around 2137 if we're lucky (our home Internet currently has a 1.5 Mbps download speed to give an indication)... so bring on that 8 core for us country hicks :D
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I know, I would 100% back the HSPA+ model. In fact I just don't think the market is ready for LTE just yet.

Customers may be crazy for the faster mobile internet but the data buckets are being adjusted to compensate for the increased speeds. 3G HSPA users sometimes use more than 8GB a month on a 1GB plan. Considering that, just how much data do you think they would've used if there phone were connected to LTE?
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I don't see the problem with getting the LTE version.

Concerned about battery drain/not living in an area... you can turn it off, it's not like the performance will be that different in that case, plus it opens up LTE for those who want it, and hits the real push that everyone has for 4G/LTE.
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Hey guys turns out Samsung announced that the Octa 5 processor will support all 20 LTE Bands worldwide :-)
So I'm not sure why they are making 2 different models of the Galaxy S4 and giving North America the Snapdragon Quad Core version but I'm not impressed. I guess it must be because then when they put it into the Galaxy Note 3 it will seem like a bigger deal. Koodo won't be carrying the Galaxy Note 3 I'm sure so again it still would be a good thing to get the Galaxy S4 with the Octa 5 processor because they wouldn't be taking anything away from another device if they aren't going to carry it anyways.
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I've read on another mobile forum that Samsung didn't have sufficient supply of Octa 5 processors but had easier access to Snapdragon processors. So Samsung chose to go with what they have easy access to. Also, the first 10 million units built will be snapdragon model. So the octa 5 will be available in North America but not till the end of the year. This is what I've read in the past week.
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so i just want to make sure, if i get the international 8-core s4 will it work on the Koodo network alright?
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ah, thanks.

the international S4 is
GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
LTE (market dependent)
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and yet wikipedia says that version doesnt support lte. looks like North American version of the s4 for me
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I have the international Galaxy Note 2 which is HSPA+ model and it works great on Koodo. I get Web pages fast and the benefits highly outweigh having LTE which is a fraction quicker but drains your battery almost twice as fast. Plus you get updates months before any carrier branded models. Personally I'd go for the international version.
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Oh. Alright, thanks. Ill do that. Would you know offhand if I will have to change my phone number? Cause my sim card wont fit in it...I have to get a new one
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No need to change your # Luke, just buy the SIM Card and when you do either have them transfer your account to the new SIM (Which is a Micro SIM) or you can do it yourself on Self serve. Just click the change phone option and input the number on the SIM Card in and now your new card will be active on your account. Your old card will then become inactive on the account.
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LTE isn't a gimmick, it's faster data, and depending on the user, that can be incredibly useful.

On my BB 9900 I averaged speeds of around 6-10mb/s down and 1-2mb/s up. With my z10 I average 57mb/s down and 20mb/s up. That's a massive difference. It means I can upload/download large files to/from my company's cloud/server in a matter seconds, as opposed to 10-15 mins in some cases. This is beyond valuable for me.

Sure, it makes hardly any difference when it comes to browsing web pages and refreshing my facebook feed, but I could care less about that. Saying LTE is useless is like arguing that dial up internet is essentially the same thing as cable or 100mb/s fiber optic.

And this thing about battery life I don't buy either, their is certainly more battery drain on LTE vs HSPA+, but I think if you're experiencing such a massive difference (~50%), then that has more to do with the Android/Samsung engineers then anything else. My Z10 comes off the charger at 7am and doesn't go back on till around 11pm, that's 16 hours, and it has no problem doing so, this is using LTE exclusively.

Regarding the Exynos Octa 5 processor, it's a good chip, but let's not forget that there is a performance penalty for every core you add, it's not as simple as: more cores = better performance. A single core 1GHz processor is faster at a single thread than a dual core @ 1GHz, by around 15%-20%.

A real performance upgrade would be a faster processor, not more 'cores'. If someone could make a dual core mobile processor (with hyper threading) @ 2Ghz+ it would be game over.
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Hum, HSPA+ is about 20mbs while LTE is 50/100 mbs, I know nobody but big companies that split their internet connections that need such speeds. Especally when using compressed files like mobile data does...
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How many big files does anyone ever download with their Phone over the providers data connection and not wifi, not many. Also you must not use your Z10 much if you can get 16hrs out of the thing, I'm lucky to get 8hrs.

I have a international Galaxy Note 2 (hspa+) & a Canadian Carrier branded model Galaxy Note 2 (LTE) and I'll do a test to see 100% but I've compared with my friends (in India) and it was almost half battery life with LTE. Like I said I'll do a complete test now that I have both models of the Galaxy Note Note 2 and let you know exactly the comparison of battery life.
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Same here, I have the international version and I watch Netflix full HD np.
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You only get 8 hours on LTE on a z10? That's absolutely horrible. Are you in an area that has limited LTE coverage and the radio is constantly switching? I'd consider myself to be a pretty heavy user, on any given day I reply to anywhere from 50-100 emails, 3-4 hours of talk time, multiple uploads/downloads, etc.. Some of the time I could be on wifi, like when I'm at the office or at home, but a lot of the time I'm in the car, at an outbound client meeting, at a personal appointment, etc., so I really can't be bothered to try and find a wifi connection. Chances are even if I did go out of my way to find one, the LTE speeds are going to be faster anyways, and I'm in downtown Toronto so the coverage is widespread, 5 full bars constantly. If I only got 8 hours on LTE that would be a deal breaker for me, that's certainly not enough to get through a day, but I've never run into that issue. For times when I know I'll be away from a charger for a longer period of time, like when I'm travelling, I bring a spare battery with me, it's beyond convenient.

It's a little bit odd that I can't seem to find any 'academic/scientific' studies comparing HSPA vs LTE battery drain, it's just people on forums, or with blogs, doing personal tests themselves, and I'd like to actually see some hard numbers and information about how much the variance is, and why.

The latency with LTE is lower then HSPA, and the speeds are higher, so theoretically, this should actually save battery. For example, I get an email and it has a 15mb attachment, on LTE the device will ping the server, download the attachment, and return to idle state earlier then it would on HSPA. Which means that the major battery drain differential between LTE and HSPA must take place while the device radio is idle. Can LTE really be so much less efficient then HSPA while idling?
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Do any of you have the international s4?

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