Blackberry shouldn't just be for the wealthy. Secure data for everyone!!

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Offer contracts. As much as I hate them, your phones are just too damn expensive. At this point the most secure phone is BlackBerry - by a mile. So my choices are an unsecured Android phone, or another Curve. With only 256MB of memory, this thing barely checks Twitter without crashing, forget about clicking an internet link. Unfortunately, I can either pick up a free (and useless) Curve, or shell out $500-600 for the Z10/Q10. What kind of a choice is this? I can't leave Koodo because for some reason you guys are the ONLY network that gets service in Northern Ontario and Northern Saskatchewan. Also, the tab rewards are far too small, especially when compared to a company like Rogers which provides cash towards phones and accessories. Don't get me wrong, I still love Koodo the bestest - but your phone selection is horrendous, unless you have money burning a hole in your pocket - or don't expect to be able to access the internet. In 2013.
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The Q5 will be out here soon, it'll be a little cheaper then the Z10/Q10.

If Koodo works where you are, then Telus must as well? Have you looked at what you could get through them?

I agree the perks/subsidies are much lower with Koodo then they are with anyone else, but unfortunately that's how Koodo has decided to position itself. I wouldn't expect that to change.
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Really? You think that a $400-500 Q5 phone is a suitable alternative? The actual "cheap" version is being released in India and China.

"There's a cheap plastic chassis, QWERTY-keyboard, 3.1-inch 720p display, 1.2GHz dual-core processor, 2GB of RAM, 8GB of internal storage, 2MP front camera and 5MP rear facing snapper."

In other words, I can still grab a Galaxy SII X that kicks this thing's butt, for less than half the price as long as I don't mind sharing my data with the whole world.

And no, Telus does not work in the same places. I have no explanation for this, but I can say that I have yet to find an area in Northern Saskatchewan where I don't have service on Koodo - even with a crappy little LG phone - and only a handful where I can't stream youtube. Standing beside me - a dozen people with Telus, Rogers and Bell phones cursing and wondering what my magic is. ;)

The tab takes years to clear off, even on a high use plan. I would rather lock in to Koodo as an option, and pay a reasonable price for the phone.

Some actual phone selection couldn't hurt either. My friend has had the waterproof Sony for MONTHS. Thank you Rogers....
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Well those are the only choices you have if you want a Blackberry right now, it's Z10, Q10, or Q5 (unless you go legacy, you could pick up a Bold 9900 fairly cheap).

Maybe Blackberry will eventually make a $150-$250 outright device for the discount market, but until then those are the options.

Koodo uses Telus towers, and occasionally Bell if Telus isn't in range. If someone is able to get better reception on Koodo then with Telus, their are other factors in play. An updated sim card perhaps, newer firmware with improved radio, etc.

I think your real issue is with the lack of subsidies or rewards on Koodo. If you could walk into a Koodo store right now and get a Z10 or Q10 for $99 on a two year contract would that be your ideal situation?

Also, their is a reason Android devices tend to have such higher specs then other OS platforms, it's because that's the only thing the manufacturers can do to differentiate their products as Android is freely available to anyone. Regardless of what specs you get on that S2X, you're still running 2.3.3 on a device it isn't designed exclusively for.
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That is, in fact, the ideal situation. Hell, I'd pay $250 and a two year contract. I love the service, just hate the price of the hardware. :O)
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Koodo is not doing contracts and will eventually move away from the Iphone contract.
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Alexi, what's your source for Koodo getting rid of the iPhone contract?
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It's just a speculation given the word "eventually" was used.
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From what I understand, the Q5 is intended for emerging markets and likely won't find its way to North America

http://m.crackberry.com/how-does-q5-a...
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Here's an idea - add $50 to each customer's tab after each year of service.

Three years in, your tab would be $300 - still leaving you with a $350-450 bill, depending on your phone choice.

It's insane. I can buy a playbook for $99, and just picked up a top of the line Toshiba 17" laptop on sale for $500. The idea that they can offer me a $700 phone and be proud of their $150 tab is a little insulting to their customers. No one else costs this much up front, and as a long time customer, I'm literally being forced out. Last time I went to a Koodo store, I was told that if I didn't want to use an Android phone I should find another provider. I may just have to do that.
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Chad, this seems to have changed. They'll be releasing the Q5 in North America and Europe - but it will have double the price tag. Your thank you gift for buying Canadian, I suppose?
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As far as android not being secure...

of story.

E-mail and security on Android

Lets get the big bear out of the way - Exchange. Exchange e-mail is secure. Doesn't matter if you're using a Palm, Windows Mobile, a BlackBerry, an iPhone, or two cans and a string. All security is configured on the server, and the clients must comply or they don't get access. This is why Exchange support up until Android 2.1 flat out sucked. The client did not support the most commonly used security configurations, and either the server admin changed them (unsafe!) or the user was forced to use another method to get Exchange mail.

Thankfully, Eclair has addressed a lot of these issues and HTC has picked up most of the rest. Exchange support isn't perfect. It isn't as good as Windows Mobile. But it's finally good enough for most cases. Droid and N1 users -- if your server admin can't get you up and running on his system, think about following the path of darkness and root your phone and install a Sense ROM, or look to a third party solution like Touchdown . There's a good chance this will get you compliant.

Any other e-mail isn't secure. Period. Blackberry BIS or GMail can encrypt data from the mail server to your handset or web browser, but all e-mail data between regular mail servers on the internet is sent in plain text. The ONLY way to secure your e-mail is by using encryption or to use VPN to connect to a private network's internal mail server. If it goes across the intertubes, anyone with a little ambition and some free black-hat style software can intercept it and see what you're sending or receiving. Lots of people will try to say differently, and they probably even believe it, but that doesn't make it so. If e-mail was secure in nature, there would be no draw for expensive solutions like Exchange, BES, or VPN. The e-mail you send to your friend telling them how wasted you got during Hempfest '09, or the naughty pictures you send to your more special friends is out there for the taking. I wish it weren't, but it is -- unless you're taking some extra precautions to make it so.

The scariest part of the whole thing is just how easy it is to intercept an e-mail and read it. If you or I can do it, bet your last dollar that those genius kids out there can do it easier, better, and faster. The good news is that nobody is likely to be reading your e-mail unless you give them a reason to. Billions of messages are flying around at any one moment, and yours is just one of them unless you make it attractive somehow.

Enough doomcasting (I sooo stole that line from Keith and Dieter :P ), let's look at some ways to fill in any gaps in the security model of Android.

Taken from: http://m.androidcentral.com/android-s...
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Here in North America we (not directed at you, Kim! this is a general statement based on my observations!!) have been brainwashed too many years to actually think that subsidized phones are what we actually pay for them... most people forget they have to bend over backwards for 3 long years to finally pay it off...

For example one of my neighbours got himself a "$150 iPhone 4S" but has to pay $50 per month for minutes and data he doesn't even remotely come close to using... and will be locked into that contract for almost two more years.

Yet, I know for a fact that when the time comes, he'll get himself a shiny new iPhone 6 or whatever will be the latest & greatest by then, only to start the $150+$50x36 cycle all over again... yet he laughed himself silly over me buying my own phone (which was $350 for a Nexus, actually)... and enjoying the $15 per month Koodo plan I'm using.

It's this frame of mind that I tend to see in your posts here too, and it is fine if you are happy with it, but if you'd start to actually doing the math, you'd be surprised how much you could SAVE :)

Still... who am I to judge so you should go with the plan that makes you the happiest :)
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That USED to be the case, you are correct. But again, my friend with the waterproof Rogers Sony phone pays the exact same amount I do, gets the exact same features and services, and got her phone for exactly $0. Oh, and she can change her plan as often as she likes - same limits as Koodo.

Contracts are not the prisons they used to be.

And have you considered how long it will take you to pay off your tab on a $15 dollar plan? What are you paying on it per month, like $0.75? Pfft - what's 200 months when you don't have a contract? ;O)
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As of December all phones will be paid off in exactly 2 years, so it's moot point. Also, last I checked Rogers came in dead last for overall service according to Canadians. Koodo? First. Just saying. :-)
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If you think that email is your only concern, you haven't been keeping up.

"According to security gurus Symantec, Android owners who use the official Facebook app are having their phone numbers stored without their knowledge. This is standard practice when using the contact sync feature in the Facebook app, but this security flaw is sending mobile numbers to Facebook servers as soon as the app is opened. Oh boy.

Norton found this security flaw while running a routine test with their Mobile Insight app, which uses various analysis techniques to seek out risky and malicious behavior in Android apps.

“Of particular note, Mobile Insight automatically flagged the Facebook application for Android because it leaked the device phone number. The first time you launch the Facebook application, even before logging in, your phone number will be sent over the Internet to Facebook servers. You do not need to provide your phone number, log in, initiate a specific action, or even need a Facebook account for this to happen.

According to Google Play, hundreds of millions of devices have installed the Facebook application and a significant portion of those devices are likely affected.

We reached out to Facebook who investigated the issue and will provide a fix in their next Facebook for Android release. They stated they did not use or process the phone numbers and have deleted them from their servers.” – Official Symantec Blog

While the cause of the security flaw is unknown, Facebook has promised to provide a fix for this problem in the next update of their official Android app. For the sake of our privacy, let’s hope that happens soon.

[Via: Android Authority , Symantec Blog]

Listen - there's a reason that there's only ONE company that security services use. That government uses. That the secret service, the FBI, the NSA and the CIA use. It's blackberry. There's a reason. :O)
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Clearly, you are set in what you want. So go and enjoy your blackberry, but stop bringing your hate for other phones. This is a discussion board for Koodo, you could at least respect it as such.
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I would say that this is less an Android thing as it is a Facebook thing.

To my knowledge, having never used Facebook, the general privacy mission at Facebook can be summed up as "privacy, what's that?"
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This isn't a security flaw, it’s a feature. An associate of mine asked me to find out “how” Facebook decided to “suggest” his girlfriend as a suggested friend to his wife :) She wasn't on his Facebook as a friend but they harvested the phone numbers from his contacts and recent calls, matched it up with her Facebook profile and suggested her to people that were on his Facebook friends list (like his wife)! Let’s not debate the morals of a married man with a girlfriend; the “fact” is that he had no contact with this girlfriend on Facebook leaving the app and his phone as the only connection. He also didn't knowingly grant access to his contacts and recent calls to the app, it came preinstalled.

I often wonder why people “think” Blackberry is so secure. They have had to share their encryption technology with various governments as a precondition to being able to enter that market. People like Edward Snowden work for these governments :) The security hasn't necessarily been cracked but rather openly given away in the interest of commerce and therefore openly in the wild.
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Facebook doesn't sync with your phone unless you allow it to by clicking the option when first opening Facebook. If he's friends on Facebook with any of his girlfriends friends then that is how she was suggested not by anything on your actual phone that isn't connected to Facebook.
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Lol, not hate, just the facts. If I had android, I'd want to know my phone numbers are being sold to the highest bidder. Not to mention the general swiss-cheese like security of Android apps. No, thanks, I'll stick with the security.
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Never ever had any security issues with Android. Don't bash something when you haven't even tried it. Oh and on the new Blackberries, the data works just like androids data.
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Kim, it doesn't matter what device you own. If you think that whoever is interested in whatever you are doing (I seriously doubt they would be) can't get it because you have a bb you are sorely mistaken. They will find out regardless. Maybe not the websites you are visiting specifically but everything else yes. A couple of 14 year old could do that.
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The real security comes when/if you're running an enterprise server. Then you can lock your device and data tunnels down pretty decently. If you're using just 'regular' data though, you're certainly susceptible no matter what device you're using. Although I do think it's fair to say that if you run android you're a bit more vulnerable considering the OS source code is freely available.
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I think your way too worried about your so called privacy, as soon as you go on the Internet with any device you've lost the same amount of your privacy so if your that worried don't use the Internet. If you have nothing to hide as well you shouldn't be so worried about it. I've used Android devices for years and Never had any issues with my privacy or viruses /malware, it's as safe as using your PC as long as you use an anti virus protection app just like you do on your PC and when you download anything it will scan it and let you know if it's fully safe or contains anything serious all the way to will it push ads to your device.
Unless you are high up in a company and need to overly protect company materials (which I'm sure your not if your worried about prices at all) then don't worry about it nobody cares what your doing just as much as nobody cares what I'm doing. Your reading way too much into the media crap and getting way too paranoid over nothing.

As far as wanting contracts and this phone that your friend has I don't understand why you haven't just gone to the same carrier and got the same things your friend has if it's so great, curious what's stopping you?
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Just the general tone of some of the responses on here, not all of them, but some of them. I mean, I kind of feel for the OP here. She comes on here to post an idea and is obviously quite misinformed about some things. But I fully see how this would have been an overall negative experience for her. It's like you have 10 people ready and willing to jump in and correct her and put her in her place for being incorrect and misinformed. She for sure feels like she was ganged up on. If someone comes on here and posts anything, and then leaves with that impression, surely their a problem. Would you not agree?
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I must have missed it too, matt, and yes I did read through the whole thread. The hostility I saw was mostly one sided... and was addressed as such.
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Okay Sophia, you're the Mobile Master, do your thing.
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I'm sorry, the overall tone from the OP was angry and combative, nothing anyone would say, short of agreeing with her ,would have satisfied. I don't see how Sophia being a MM negates her opinion. We didn't get to this position by being rude and argumentative.
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What I meant by 'you're the Mobile Master' is that it's Sophia's call to address this as she pleases, not trying to negate her opinion.

My main point is this thread isn't a good representation on Koodo, and certainly wasn't positive for the original poster.
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I don't think Koodo has much control over the price set for a Blackberry but it's hardly for wealthy people only.

$550 or $625 is far more than I'd ever spend on a phone for sure (but I don't want a high end smartphone) it's not out of the question for someone with the patience to save up. $50 per paycheque for 6 or 7 months is all you need.

Anyway, I don't imagine you'll get much sevice in Northern Ontario or Northern Saskatchewan with a Z10 or Q10 or an Android for that matter.
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Depends how far North
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Well, I'm glad your imagination knows so much about Koodo service in northern provinces. I spend about half my year there, have yet to have a non-service area. Wanna try again? Maybe if you imagine EXTRA hard. I had full service with a $50 LG, my BB Curve, a Torch, a Samsung Galaxy - the only one that failed was the iphone. Surprise, surprise.
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I think we might be operating on different definitions of Northern Ontario and Saskatchewan then.
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I'm not going to get involved in the security debate, as most of the bases are covered there.

Like Curtules said, how much control does Koodo have over what devices BlackBerry sells here? I'd wager that it's zero.

Koodo has a choice of what BlackBerry devices it carries, but they can only choose from a list of devices BlackBerry chooses to release on this market. BlackBerry chooses what business model they want to pursue, and that's their business.
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Well now, Congratualtions Ivan!
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Thanks!
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Yeah, and Koodo chooses the prices and plans, so.... nice try, but a swing and a miss.
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I'm sorry Kim, but your original post is about what BlackBerry phones Koodo carries and the security "benefits" of BlackBerry. You mentioned nothing about plans.

Koodo does indeed set the phone prices, but they're not going to sell the phones at a loss.

I'm not saying you shouldn't ask for budget BlackBerry devices. I'm just saying that Koodo cannot offer a phone that BlacBerry won't release on this market.

As for affordability, I agree that a $150 tab isn't much. In fact, I've suggested that Koodo's tab program is behind the times on a number of posts. It was fantastic when it was introduced as the smartphone revolution hadn't quite taken place yet and great phones could be had for $150.
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The phone your friend has is likely the Xperia go, which isn't what I'd consider a high-end device(>Ace 2, < S2x). If it was on Koodo it would likely be in the 150$-250$ price range.

curious if you have considered a iphone or a WP8 device? As they will both be more "secure" then Andriod.
both OSs have cheap options with Koodo and there are probably a ton of WP8 options online for cheap as well as iphone options.
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You probably still don't believe me so here's a link to their website showing all the Jones they carry and there is only 1 Sony phone and its the ZL like I said which isn't waterproof, might want to let your friends know the Rogers salesman misinformed them, possibly to make the sale. Also tell them to make sure not to dunk then in water
http://www.rogers.com/web/link/wirele...
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Honestly, Kim, I don't understand you. You certainly have some idées fixes and no amount of reason will convince you otherwise.

1. You claim your friend got a waterproof Sony device from rogers for $0 beside the fact that Rogers offers no such device. But your friend could've got a waterproof phone from Rogers (Samsung Galaxy Rugby), which they sell for $229.

2. In order to receive the abovementioned phone for free, you must sign a 3 year contract and only their $50+ plans are eligible. So let's compare Koodo's $50 plan (regular, not promo) to Rogers' $50 plan. Rogers offers 700 more minutes than Koodo (1000 vs 300), but the Rogers minutes are local only (only their $100 plan includes national calling - how generous). Both have unlimited evenings/weekends, with Koodo's starting at 5 (hour earlier than Rogers). Koodo offers over 3x the data (500 MB vs 150 MB). Only 150 MB in a $50 plan? Seriously? And Koodo charges you $5/500 MB overage while Rogers charges double the amount for 200 MB. Both companies offer caller ID, voicemail, and unlimited sms/mms but Rogers only includes Canadian messaging while Koodo offers international.

So, if Koodo offered this device, you'd have to pay $80 on top of the tab (assuming Koodo's outright price was the same as Rogers, but it would likely be less). And you can get this with the $39 plan, which is still better than Rogers' $50 plan, which would save you $396 before taxes over 36 months. After 36 months, your Koodo tab balance would be $9.60. Rogers charges $12.50 on top of any device balance to cancel so even though your Koodo tab isn't fully paid off, it's still cheaper to cancel with Koodo.

3. Everything I just said is irrelevant as you are adamant about your desire for a new BlackBerry. So, I have absolutely no idea why you even bring up your friend's waterproof Android phone. Is that phone somehow running BB10?

4. If you were truly an ethical consumer, you wouldn't be buying any smartphone. It's naïve to think that Apple is the only one that doesn't pay their overseas workers a decent wage. Having grown up in Kitchener-Waterloo, the birthplace of the BlackBerry, I can tell you that they haven't been all that great to their workers. I even worked in their repair facility one summer. There have been a lot of layoffs with production shifting to Mexico. So much for our support for Canadian business. They'll play the Canadian card when it comes to selling their product, but they'll move the jobs to a cheaper market.

5. Sarcastic remarks such as "nice try genius" and "swing and a miss" should've been left on the playground. You say you're "staggered by the hostility here", yet the only hostile remarks I've seen are yours. You do know that none of us work for Koodo, right? Someone telling you to go to another carrier if they're offering what you want isn't being hostile. It's the only logical choice for your demands.
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Very very well put Ivan, it's clear why you were choosen to be a Mobile Master with this excellent breakdown of everything & explanation. I applaud you sir :-)
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Thanks Paul. Every one is entitled to their opinions and has a right to voice them here. This may be an online forum, but it doesn't make it any less public than a face-to-face meeting. In fact, good behaviour online is even more important as there is a permanent record of your conduct.

In any case, none of us are perfect but that's no reason to treat each other poorly.
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"If you were truly an ethical consumer, you wouldn't be buying any smartphone."

THANK YOU.
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Hey Kim

I'm glad you dedicated to BB, but they are a company just like the rest Those "slave" labors as you put it have produced many of the items that went into making the BBs what they are.

To be a truly ethical consumer these days you have to well not be a consumer. Think hermit in the wood fending for themselves

As for prices an proprietary I'm with you there. But as for durability ever manufacture has their issue. BB had an issue with track palls falling out of device for no reason in the 8xxx series.

So back on to your original topic of expensive devices. I'll tell you how I look at this topic. This will vary depending on your usage but if you looking for cheaper Rogers isn't a company I would put out there.

While the devices might cost more upfront i earn it back every month ( no not with the tab). Wit the saving on plans

So let compare my current plan to Rogers, since this is where your friend is.
Koodo 45$
400 min Canada wide
∞incoming calls
∞ Text/MMS
5PM evens weekend
1GB data
VM, CD, CW, CC

Now to get that from a Rogers plan it's 67$
difference is I'd get
∞ Canada wide minutes

I might make due with their plan for 60$
difference is I'd get but
1000 LOCAL min
∞ local after 6pm
500MB
LD overage would likely bring me up to an the no incoming might be an issue.

So for ME there is a large difference of either 15$ or 22$ a month
15x12=180$ a year 540$ over 3 years
22x12=264$ a year 792$ over 3 years

That is how I work out that Koodo is right for me regardless of what they are charging for a phone. As I just take the $$ I would "save" and buy whatever phone I'd like.

Oh and Rogers plan for the same cost that i am paying is a joke. 45$ for a 150min and 200MB of data

PS. Try not to be short with people who are just tiring to help you as you'll never get the kind of help you want that way.
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Someone is wanting a contract... Wait what?
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I know right?

The funny thing is that people are so ready to finance their phones that they don't stop to consider that doing so does little more than lock them into a term (even the new limit of 2 years will be too much for me) and it keeps the phones at a high pricepoint.

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