Anybody notice the data limits on the Canada-wide Data plans have gotten really bad today?

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Apparently today you would need to sign up for the $64 plan to get 1Gig of data, but yesterday you could sign up for a $52 plan and still get 1Gig of data per month.

No offence, but what gives Koodo? The increase in price for the same data seems really customer "un-friendly".....
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More feed back the better. I agree with you completely. But if you have an old expired plan just leave it as is because the current plans are horrid along to go witht he horrid overage rates. Hopefully Koodo will recognize this and won't keep these plans very long.
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Absolutely! I mean, 50MBs a month is like 1.6MB per DAY, yes, per day.

Stuff that would fit on an old 3.5" floppy, every day, for you to enjoy!

And they better not bring out the argument of higher priced phones to justify the future butchering of prepaid...
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Maybe they will raise the BYOD discount to 30% or something to compensate for the higher plans? I'm not holding my breath though ...
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Don't count on discounts of any sort. The carriers' goal is to lock in as many people as possible on monthly plans WITH subsidies (so they can't leave on a whim unless able to financially cover buying out their subsidy).

What I expect (but don't want) is this: pricier phones will be offered, for even less money upfront (thanks, future larger tabs!), with really really bad plans. Humans are known to make irrational decisions (I'm a sinner too) and the sparkle of a brand new $750 iPhone for $250 up front is often too tempting to resist. Then, 3-4 months later, you realize you can't afford that bill anymore, but buying out the phone is even costlier, so you suck it up and continue paying too much money for a plan that doesn't suit you.

This is the model the carriers are going for. A guaranteed revenue stream coming in steadily every month. And for the few who default on their payments, they sell the debt to collection agencies and spread the related expenses on the next round of plan updates so future customers can foot the bill.

It's really a wonder why so few people buy their own phones and force the carriers to compete on the plans they offer instead of acting like smaller banks and giving out phone loans. I mean, imagine for a second no one buying phones through carriers... What is there left for them to try to get people to sign? Yup, better (even good!) plans!
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This has been going on for years. You basically told us what we already know.

As for your last paragraph, the answer is simple. Most humans want the latest technology, they want it now and they don't care that they put most of the price on a subsidy, just as long as they get the latest version of that phone. As long as this mindset stays, carriers will always prosper from what they are doing now.
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^ As likewise, we consumers will maintain the status quo by continuing to complain... hoping against better judgement than something will improve one day :P
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Logged onto the "Community" hoping to start a conversation on this topic,
only to find that someone else beat me to it (and for that I'm glad).

I'm the type of person who updates themselves on the costs of these phone plans multiple times a week, hoping to snag some sort of Double Data (or other) deal for the lines that I've recently added onto my plan...
only to find the base prices steadily increasing (and no more double data). It's super disappointing. I almost can't believe my eyes.

Guess I have to stop referring my friends and family to Koodo now, because I don't have a reason to anymore...I can't really justify them paying this much for the service I'm getting.
It's good...but not amazing.
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My 2 cents is if Koodo sees a bad churn rate (more people leaving then people signing up) Maybe action will be taken on this. In a way, I am not too fond of promoting these plans. I guess more reason to soft shop elsewhere.
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Fido changed to the exact same plans, and Virgin most likely will soon if they haven't already. So its not like Koodo is the only one, although I know that doesn't make it any better.
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So why pick Koodo then?
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To many people, Koodo is the least of all evils, James :) It's like picking whether you want to be shot, or electrocuted, lol!
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Why pick Koodo? I think some of us have decent older plans, some like the current prepaid offerings, and some find that there is not really better options elsewhere.
I still think the no Canadian long distance charges is fantastic but I was hoping to see plans steadily improve, not move backwards. I figured the mobile companies would offer better rates than the past but people would use more services which would balance out for their revenues (eg voice getting cheap and data coming along). That was happening for a while - I'm not a big fan of a cheap phone if I have to pay through the nose for a plan to use said phone.
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WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOW

Just noticed the change now... I was about to get a friend of mine on Koodo but I definitely will not be recommending something else now.

This is one of the biggest drastic changes I've seen since the launch of the 2 year terms.
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I had made a topic about this a month or 2 ago, so this is no surprise to me.
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Honestly Ahmad, comparing the plans still to companes like Bell and Rogers, Koodo is a better deal by far. ($75 for 500MB Unlimited nationwide calling on Bhell / $60 500MB 1000 Canada-Wide minutes on Robbers)
I'll stick with what I got...Unlimited canada wide calling, 2GB, $60
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I'm not comparing old plans to what the big 3 offer now. Of course people are going to keep their old plans but I'm talking about going forward. I'm comparing the new plans offered by Koodo to what they used to offer as now they're ridiculously more expensive
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The biggest difference with these plans is that the promos ended, the plans did lose a little and go up a couple dollars. But if there is one big stand out thing it was that the extra data on plans went away. Im sure it will come back again, but who knows when. Fido just made pretty much the exact same changes, which means Virgin will most likely copy it all right away (if they haven't already).

Am I thrilled with the changes? No
Do I think the sky is falling? No
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Virgin has kept their plans the way they are, for the time being... Koodo should do the same.
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Virgin will match, almost guaranteed. They are just as hungry for the extra money as any other business.
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Like any mobility company they are gouging their consumers more and more because they can get away with it because consumers are willing to pay premium rates for their cell phone services. Canada has the highest cell phone rates in the world so why would cell phone companies drop in pricing if consumers will continue to pay for it? Nothing can be done from a consumers end unless to soft shop elsewhere for a better deal. Even so, good luck finding a cheaper plan now a days.
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Oligopoly power, oligopoly pricing.

The more people want data, the more you will be paying per MB, not because they need to, but simply because they can.

There were no surprises today, I expect it will only get worse since it always does.

I find it interesting how Fido and Koodo did this on the same day. Coincidence I'm sure.
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Coincidence?or partnership?lol
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Thank you WOW! Mobile...
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ummm..... not oligopoly... its called competitive monopoly. An oligopoly is like a steel company where prices remain relatively stable and quantities produces increase or decrease without a big impact on margins.... the MC and MR curves flatten out for a period....
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It is true that services in Canada are expensive compared to other countries, but still Koodo is affordable compared with all the companies out there, it is a very dynamic market, and, it is not the first time that plans are changed this way...
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"Compared with all the companies"? Have you check out WIND's offerings?
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[...] it is not the first time that plans are changed this way... [...]

Likely not the last either as history has taught us.
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@Ivan Seriously?:-) Wind? Yes, they have the lowest prices but even with that they have extreme difficulty signing up customers. When you get limited service business sucks. The Russians who own Wind realized this and wrote Wind off completely. No more money pumped into a losing proposition.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/03/...
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I don't want to get into a debate about WIND's service. Camilo stated that Koodo is affordable compared with ALL the companies out there, which is a blatant falsehood. He didn't say "companies with similar market penetration" (not that this would be true either, as Fido is similarly priced and Virgin hasn't hiked up their prices yet so they're actually the more affordable choice no - but I'm sure they'll remedy that ASAP).
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And that article is garbage. "A prominent analyst"? Who? Dvai Ghose? Forgive me if I take some banker's statement with a pinch of salt. And this is the guy who's labeled Rogers as "Canada's weakest carrier".
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The thing that disappoints the most isn't even the price increase. Everything goes up in price, so it was kinda predictable that this would happen.

What has got me worried however is that Koodo now has nothing to distinguish itself from Virgin and Fido anymore. When I joined, there was per-second billing, the Tab novelty, the amazing Self-Serve (this one is still there, thankfully!) and things like that. Now, you could almost blindly go to Virgin (or Fido, to a bit lesser extent) and find no difference.

If there's one thing saving face today for Koodo, it's their prepaid offering. It's unique in the grand scheme of things and suits many people, including myself.

Seriously though, prices increases are one (bad) thing, but the lack of creativity/ideas is concerning.
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Just a heads up: Double Minutes/Double Data, while very appreciated, is not creativity or a new idea.
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Pretty sure Koodo is also the only one there that still has a real tab system. Unless you want to consider Fido's "Tab24" as a tab....with a fixed term. Koodo can still pay off faster than the 2 years, and if your on Tab medium or large, it also means your Tab charge will go away, which the others cant say.
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So from what I have read, people are upset at these plans, and say they preferred the older ones. My questions, why dont you choose to remain on those ones then - they would be called grandfathered plans - we no longer offer them, but still honor the details of each plan.

A lot of people will like these plans as they have been saying things like I dont use that much data, or I need more minutes with my service.

Koodo will change the plans again, you just have to wait for it.
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Because no one likes being held hostage to a plan. For example, I have the unlimited/2GB promo plan for $56 (Christmas 2012). Fantastic plan for heavier users. But $56/month isn't peanuts. Let's say I get hit pretty hard financially (it happens to people a lot these days), and I need to go down to a cheaper plan for a while (or prepaid). I lose my plan.

Then, things get getter and I can afford to spend $56/month again. What do I get? I can get the $54 plan that would give me only 750 MB (at $5/100 overage!). I'd get 1000 minutes instead of unlimited.
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@Dave: Not everyone is a current customer with a grandfathered plan. I sure wouldn't want to be someone entering the mobile market shopping for a plan right now.
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The problem with that is that in the case of my wife's plan, she had been border line on the 1 gig usage each month and we were just about to upgrade to the 2.5 gig plan, but not now.....not for $74 per month.....
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It's sad that we're going backwards. Data costs should be going down, not up. It's already expensive before the changes. I'm talking all cell phone companies, not just koodo.

I dream of the day when everyone can get reasonable amounts of data for a low cost without needing to watch their usage like a hawk in fear of overages.
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Expensive phones and planes. Koodo is the same as the rest. Nothing special anymore. Only a fan boy will tell you different.
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Very disapointing. Price increase isn't much but when you can't even go 2 month without a price increase you provide no incentive for a new customer to join.
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I would like to see data only plans if possible! With the power of so many applications, talk time and texting can nearly be eliminated. Even if that meant putting a "tablet plan" Sim card in my phone I think that it would make a huge difference in the market. Just my two cents.
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I tried a tablet only SIM in my Koodo phone (SIM not from Koodo). Turns out it is billed at a pay-per-usage rate that isn't really attractive per MB ... I had thought I simply wouldn't be able to phone but you can - I think it was a dollar a minute.
Anyway, hopefully if Koodo ever offered something like this they wouldn't distinguish between different types of data (is mobile phone data really different than tablet data?).
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I've gone data-only with Virgin before. Making calls/texts isn't a great idea with the $1/min rate, but with an app like Fongo, you can get a Canadian number for free and make and receive free calls at a rate of about 2 minutes/MB (texting is $2/month).
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Still wondering why we're paying the highest rates in the world for wireless services in this country? This could be one reason why.

The Honourable James Moore, PC, MP Minister of Industry mentions; [quote] "And this auction yielded a valuable return for Canadian taxpayers. The total revenue generated from this auction is $5.27 billion, the highest return ever for a wireless auction in Canada. [unquote] (excerpt from the Announcement of 700 MHz Spectrum Auction Results).



Full article here: http://news.gc.ca/web/article-en.do?n...

There is a 'benefit' to the consumer out of all of this extravagant spending and that is that the new spectrum promises to deliver next-generation wireless services more efficiently, offering greater cell phone signal penetrability and range to both urban and rural subscribers without the need for deploying additional cell towers.

Just a hunch, but I'm guessing some of that money needs to be recovered, hence a 'slight', increase in rate plans all around, perhaps? Still, when you finally get your head around those numbers, that's a sizeable chunk of coin to be spending on radio waves for either of the big three or anyone else for that matter and you can thank the CRTC for that one.

My nickels' worth.
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I won't be blaming the CRTC. Nobody forced them to buy new spectrum.
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True, but it's unlikely any of the incumbents will stand idly by while their closest competitor acquires spectrum, the CRTC knows this and as the figures show, they are clearly banking on this.
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Ivan, while nobody forced any carriers to compete in this auction, any carrier that wanted to stay relevant or expand services needed to be in it. Especially when you look at trying to increase coverage in rural areas and everything. And if they didn't participate, all that would happen down the road is this thread would be titled "Why doesn't Koodo stick with the times/I want the next gen tech". Ask Blackberry what happens when you don't invest and stay with the times.
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Koodo had to match FIdo because they can't stand up for themselves? If they kept their awesome plans guaranteed you will see Fido change their plans back soon since everyone would move to Koodo. But they are okay with ripping off their new customers now because Fido is doing it too.
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Unfortunately, Koodo' plans haven't been "awesome" since mid 2013 and I doubt they ever will be again :(
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**Update**

Hmmmmm.... interesting... today, the site is updated again: the old plans (from Wednesday at least) are back, but a disclaimer saying "Offer expires March 17, 2014.", but no asterisk or anything to say its for a specific plan.

I like that the old plans are back, but why only until Monday Koodo? These should be your standard plans, and then "promo's" should be better then these.
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True, but don't look a gift horse in the mouth, get it for your wife while you can :D
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Koodo hasn't made sense with their plans since 2013, when they decided to increase costs and decrease value.
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Unfortunately my phone won't arrive until after the 17th.
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You can go in-store and purchase a sim card and activate it on a postpaid account and you can choose a plan. Once you get the phone, just pop the sim card in and you're good to go. Just know what kind of sim card the phone takes so you know which sim card to ask for at the store
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Thanks for the advice, wasn't aware a sim could be activated without the phones MEID as well. Nexus 5 uses a microSIM if I'm not mistaken.

Can my existing number be transferred at a later date?
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Yup, as long as the existing number remains on an active account.
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Wow! These new data plans are terrible. I'm on the old 30.00 talk and text and was thinking of moving up to the 40.00 data plan when they were offering double data. I guess I should have pulled the trigger when I had the chance!

Having said that, I'm wondering if I should get the new 29.00 plan and save myself a dollar per month. Everything looks the same except the data is now 5/50mb, which I don't use anyway. Would it be worth waiting in the hope that new promos might come out? I think you can only change plans once a billing cycle.
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Well it looks like Virgin is going on Tuesday.

http://mobilesyrup.com/2014/03/15/vir...

"Shake things up" just sounds insulting when that means price increase ...
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Oh hey, look at that. Terrible data amounts -_-. I swear, the big 3 just sit in a room for hours on end, thinking of how to gouge their customers further.
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I wonder if Koodo's is going to look like this after the 17th? :(
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I like to use the term, Telecartels. I can't think of a better word to describe how the carriers operate. All of them.
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Just checked the plans. They are terrible. They're starting to look like Bell or Rogers!
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If you are looking for a plan have a look at prepaid. The postpaid plans leave something to be desired.
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Yeah looking at the new plans I don't know if i'd reccomend Koodo to friends and family as adamantly as I did last year. I have the $56/2gb plan and I'll hold onto it for as long as I can, as I did the math and I can buy the only phone I want unlocked (or from Telus) for $500 and still save money. If I lose my plan and nothing competitive is available (or I start feeling comfortable with Wind's coverage) I will switch carriers. But in the meantime I love my plan and will stay with Koodo.
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You're not the only one that feels this way. I'm on the same plan and don't think that I'll change anytime soon. But I definitely don't like teeing held hostage to my plan. I wouldn't be signing up for any monthly plan if I was a new customer. The prices are too high and I can live without it. I'd use prepaid for my most essential mobile needs.
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So anyone that wants to be with Koodo for DATA the cheapest they can get is $29.00 plus $7.50 for a measly 50Mbs... $36.50 for 50mbs of Data...
Its insane.

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