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Koodo and NFC Enabled SIM Cards


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Your credit cards: gone. Bus pass and train tickets: vanished. Those dog-eared loyalty cards for high street coffee shops: binned.
Welcome to Near Field Communications (NFC), a contactless, Wi-Fi-lite style tech that could already be in your smartphone, and could soon be a regular feature of your commute. NFC SIM cards are SIM devices that deliver card service functionality for NFC-compatible mobile phones in a secure, multi-application format. NFC-compatible mobile phones are continuing to grow in popularity around the world as the specs for this technology advances. Many other big phone companies have already  released NFC SIM cards to their customers, allowing them to use the tap to pay feature with their NFC enabled phone. Koodo is not one of these companies. If they implemented these NFC SIM cards, it would only make payments in store for their customers that much more efficient. It is the way of the future, and Koodo could easily be offering an easier way to pay.

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That's great and all, but in all the times I've gone to Tim Hortons and Mcd's in the past 6 months I've seen -maybe- 2 people use it. I feel like Koodo will provide them once the demand arises.
Jonathan I wrote:

That's great and all, but in all the times I've gone to Tim Hortons and Mcd's in the past 6 month...

I am one of those users that use, or should I say used to use when I was with Bell, that paid for my coffee using the NFC payment on my Blackberry, and I so miss that Koodo DOES NOT offer NFC simm cards. Come on Koodo, get with the program.
Jonathan I wrote:

That's great and all, but in all the times I've gone to Tim Hortons and Mcd's in the past 6 month...

I turned mine off don't trust it
Jonathan I wrote:

That's great and all, but in all the times I've gone to Tim Hortons and Mcd's in the past 6 month...

There is no reason to worry about it there is lot's of encryption in it and you have to authorize all uses of NFC anyway! If it wasn't secure why would our companies put it out there?
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Tim Hortons and Starbucks are starting to advertise their mobile payment apps, with Tim Hortons having it on the banners in store, so it is starting to pick up steam now. I just don't want Koodo to be a year or two late on something that every other phone company is already offering.
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Mark Dionne wrote:

Tim Hortons and Starbucks are starting to advertise their mobile payment apps, with Tim Hortons h...

Yup, I've seen that. I think Tim Hortons actually has an individual app (TimmyMe) that stores your payment info though. Having an NFC SIM to pay elsewhere that tap'n'pay is supported would be using banking or credit card info.
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Mark Dionne wrote:

Tim Hortons and Starbucks are starting to advertise their mobile payment apps, with Tim Hortons h...

Yes it would, and the major banks in Canada (TD, RBC, Scotia) have all updated their apps on mobile recently to accommodate for this. You just set it up and it works under the same guidelines as Interac Flash. Just replacing your debit card with your phone. It is secure and fast and is something that people would benefit from.
Mark Dionne wrote:

Tim Hortons and Starbucks are starting to advertise their mobile payment apps, with Tim Hortons h...

You say the major banks have this and the major phone companies do then i see no issue - the small banks don't have it nor the small phone componies
Mark Dionne wrote:

Tim Hortons and Starbucks are starting to advertise their mobile payment apps, with Tim Hortons h...

*companies
Mark Dionne wrote:

Tim Hortons and Starbucks are starting to advertise their mobile payment apps, with Tim Hortons h...

Superstore is pushing it now, too.
Mark Dionne wrote:

Tim Hortons and Starbucks are starting to advertise their mobile payment apps, with Tim Hortons h...

I think koodo is ahead of the flow now! I mean a large majority of koodo phones support NFC. It's a matter of app developers to get it going and they are getting the job done! I.e. Timmy Me (The Tim Hortons app).
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Another thread of interest: http://community.koodomobile.com/koodo/topics/mobile_payment_solution_over_nfc_etc
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Hi Mark, We've looked into this before and there's not enough ask for it at the moment. It seems like that's where the future will be though, and we'll get to that point when the demand is there 🙂
Sumaya K. wrote:

Hi Mark, We've looked into this before and there's not enough ask for it at the moment. It se...

Create the demand and lead the market. Bundle nfc with partner programs where use of a koodo nfc device at participating vendors leads to points to be used for airtime or goodies.
Sumaya K. wrote:

Hi Mark, We've looked into this before and there's not enough ask for it at the moment. It se...

I'm actually considering switching over to telus for this. In my opinion this feature is going to be huge with Apple soon to enter the market and Koodo is behind the curve. If Telus already supports it then it should be a no brainer to port over
Sumaya K. wrote:

Hi Mark, We've looked into this before and there's not enough ask for it at the moment. It se...

This is an old news, but according to this, demand is already there. http://mobilesyrup.com/2014/10/08/study-shows-nearly-half-of-canadians-are-ready-to-embrace-wearables-for-payments/
Telus already has the NFC SIM available; http://www.telus.com/en/on/mobility/sim-cards/nfc-sim/?INTCMP=SIMCatalogCardv3nfcsim - it seems like something that would give Koodo a bit of a leg up on the other "value" brands 🙂
I was about to try out the TD app for the mobile payments until I saw I needed a special SIM card. 😞 On top of that, paying $15 for a replacement SIM does not outweigh the savings from carrying and pulling out my credit card. I hope Koodo will seize the opportunity to differentiate themselves from everyone else - provide NFC SIM cards with a lower (or free) SIM swap cost. Charging new customers is certainly reasonable.
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Perhaps Koodo should develop a survey to actually determine the demand from their customers. Obviously if other carriers are offering this service, there must be a demand. I think quantifying the demand may surprise people. Telus has this technology in place (Koodo's parent company), and in my ignorant opinion, it should be fairly simple to add this secure service to your existing network. If Koodo charged customers a small fee for activation of their NFC enabled sim card, they should be able to recuperate their costs fairly quickly. This new technology should gain traction once people start using it. Be the trend setter.
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so, I would need to get a new sim card to use the nfc functions of my galaxy note 2? Koodo should get on this as the big 3 and virgin do it...
Considering Koodo IS Telus, it is surprising that they don't extend their NFC SIMS to their value brand. (Then again, neither does Chattr/Rogers but Virgin/Bell does)
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People will gravitate to these autopay systems when & if it involves NO effort and NO expense on their part. And at that point they will have difficulty tracking their purchases and flood the consumer hotlines of the vendors. Would you pay for a NEW phone or would you rather just swipe your debit card and let your fingers do the P.I.N.-ing? Just the fact that you are physically involved in the transaction adds a little more meaning to it. Seen a few credit card cryptic items that make me ask "what the &^% is that" on the statement in the US where fewer PINS are required compared to Canada or Europe where PINS are required.
Maybe it's just me but it seems rather outlandish that a special SIM card is required to process NFC payments. I'm no tech wizard but would the phone's NFC not be enough to make it happen? This is bizarre. Part of the reason I just forked out $1,000 for an iPhone was to use the Apple Pay feature when it eventually comes to Canada. And Koodo doesn't even supply those SIMs? That is pathetic.
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Z Gates wrote:

Maybe it's just me but it seems rather outlandish that a special SIM card is required to process ...

It's added security. I wouldn't count on Apple Pay being widely accepted though as major retailers are fighting against it (because they have their own crappy solution). On another note, I see this marked as "Planned" now, which is good news!
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Z Gates wrote:

Maybe it's just me but it seems rather outlandish that a special SIM card is required to process ...

Apple pay doesn't require an nfc sim either. It's a much simpler solution which is why I don't see Canada's banks signing on anytime soon.

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